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  • Do I call with AK?

    Posted by Unknown Member on August 6, 2020 at 6:25 pm

    MTT Freeroll 200/400 level in the big blind with 8560. Folds to mp2 who bets 1.8k. Cutoff 3bet jams for 9.9k. I have AsKc and use up all of my time before making a call. I put villian on JJ+, AJ+. Rough in my head was I was pretty even if not slightly ahead of that range. My experience with this field is a lot of jams with that range and even some with lesser pairs as well. I had no specific history with this player and had seen him limp a few hands but no showdowns.

    Unknown Member replied 3 years, 8 months ago 7 Members · 19 Replies
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  • philfuehrer

    Member
    August 6, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    I think it’s a tough spot. There’s still the original raiser behind you. HU it’s an easier call if you are willing to coin flip (you could be ahead but it’s just as likely a coin flip against those Js or Qs). With another player still to act I might lean towards folding. If that player calls you’ve either got another pocket pair to contend with or one of your Aces is gone.

    If you’re playing well and have a handle on the field/tourney you can still use those 21 BB to your advantage in better spots.

    • Unknown Member

      Deleted User
      August 6, 2020 at 11:10 pm

      Sorry. The mp is all in with 1.8k. No more action left

      • steve-fredlund

        Member
        August 7, 2020 at 10:33 am

        so the 1.8k initial bet is an all-in? I think that changes things a bit for me. They are shoving 4.5 big blinds so range super wide and AK is crushing that range. The Cut-off is easily jamming here to isolate and generally, with 25 bigs I think that could be something as low as even 55; AT, KQ, and even some suited connectors like JhTh and such. Because of this I fist-pump get it in, thrilled I found a spot like this with 21 bigs in a fast tourney structure.

  • fivebyfive

    Administrator
    August 7, 2020 at 10:53 am

    I agree with Steve. I’m fist pump jamming this dependent on if there are any special circumstances (bubble, money jumps etc.). But in isolation, our stack is fairly short too. We’re going to need to accumulate and in freerolls with the often turbo and short structures, I’d tend to range our main villain wider. Do you think they’re flatting or folding 77-1010? My hunch/experience is that the field is often jamming those too to isolate. I bet A10 suited and even KQ suited make it into a typical villain range.

    I think I have good equity and AK is an easy call for me. The bottom of my calling range in this spot with these stack depths is likely 1010 and AQs. I may find a call with 99 if I’m feeling frisky, but I think that is likely too wide.

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    August 7, 2020 at 11:56 am

    Thanks guys! I was feeling the same way at the time. Villian ended up having KK but I spiked an A and spun it up to a 7th place finish out of 680 players. He proceeded to verbally destroy me in the chat afterwards. I tried to explain what essentially what you guys said and invited him to rec.poker to discuss it further lol. He declined the invite

    • rabman50

      Administrator
      August 7, 2020 at 5:06 pm

      His outrage was due to entitlement. He didn’t want to understand the reasoning behind your call he just wanted to win. If he was a thinking player he would welcome your call with his specific hand. He is almost a 70% favorite with that match up. I know I suffered from the same entitlement syndrome early in my poker career. Then I asked myself “If I could see his cards would I want him to call?”. This opened my eyes and allowed me to understand the evil witch called Variance.

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        August 8, 2020 at 11:20 am

        Your new name is Poker Preacher!

      • steve-fredlund

        Member
        August 8, 2020 at 11:44 am

        My typical response (when I’m feeling @FiveByFive “frisky”) is a couple of questions… 1) do you think I made a mistake there? 2) don’t you want me to make mistakes?

        • Unknown Member

          Deleted User
          August 8, 2020 at 11:45 am

          Love this!

    • jim

      Administrator
      August 8, 2020 at 12:04 am

      “He declined the invite” lol I’m in stiches omg

      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        August 8, 2020 at 11:18 am

        I was actually genuinely inviting him but he said, “well if the way you play is any indication of what we would talk about, then I am not interested.” Bahahahaha!!!!

    • fivebyfive

      Administrator
      August 9, 2020 at 10:40 am

      <div>I don’t quite know how someone survives this kind of entitlement tilt. This is a great spot for KK. You love this call in that position. Plus, if this player plays much longer, they’re going to be called down there by MUCH worse and lose in this spot. Just yesterday somebody called my 4bet 50bb jam with KhKd with 4h3h. 3 hearts came, alas, the 4th did not. All you can say is good game and move on.
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      Some people make big mistakes and get there. That’s the game. Your call was not a mistake at all. One thing to note though, when I see a player go crazy like this, I add a little note to them to tighten my ranging of them on future shoves if I see them again. They clearly have a view of themselves that they wouldn’t have some of the expanded hands in their range that we talked about in these posts. The question they’re asking: “how could you call with AK there?” suggests someone who expects to be way ahead of AK in that exact spot. So that’s someone who may have a very snug shoving range (QQ+?) in this exact spot. So I’d make a note of it if I ever saw them again.

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      • Unknown Member

        Deleted User
        August 9, 2020 at 11:25 am

        Great point on the note! Thanks!

  • binkley

    Member
    August 7, 2020 at 2:51 pm

    I agree with the call. AKo is at the top of your range at this stack depth.

    Since you didn’t mention it, I assume that it wasn’t close to any bubble and there were no significant ICM considerations.

    The main pot (assuming 10% ante) is sb+bb+ante+MP jam + CO call.

    200+400+360+1800+1800=4560. Your portion to call is 1800. Equity needed for a break even call is 1800/(1800+4560) = 28%

    I assumed that MP range is from the 5BB Nash chart adjusted to be 20% tighter. This would be AXo, AXs, K9o+, K8s+, QTs+, 22+.

    I assumed the CO range you suggested AJo+, AJs+, JJ+.

    Using an equity calculator, AsKc has 37% equity vs these two ranges.


    For the side pot, you need 50% equity for a break even call. AsKc vs range of AJo+, AJs+, JJ+ has 55% equity.

    You have enough equity in both the main and side pots to make the call.

    It’s good that you were able to be a good ambassador for Rec.Poker. I don’t usually engage with random whiners in chat.

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