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Punt or Cooler?
$1/3 cash game in PNW poker room. The tables are filled mostly with $1/3 recs but we get most of our action from $3/5 players waiting for tables or cooling their bankroll. Lots of limping preflop. EP raises to $10 and we get 4 callers. Hero has AK on the Button and 3-bets to $55. Hero is in for $450 but built up his stack to $800 and is perceived as TAG. 2 people call. Flop is 863r. Hero c-bets for $55 and gets one caller. Villain is LAG playing 40% of hands and open raises 15% of hands to $20 when the standard table raise is $12-$15. He sat down 30-mins prior and has not shown any crazy bluffs. Villain started with $475. Turn: A, completing rainbow. Hero bets $75 with TPTK. Villain raises to $200. Hero? As played, Hero calls the additional $125. River: 9, completing the T7 and 75 straights which I don’t find likely given the action. Villain shoves for $225. Hero?
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Was the v the guy that opened to 10, then called your 55? or was he a “double flatter” calling the 10 then also calling your 55? A double flatter would be slightly wider calling the 55 closing the action and not having to worry about what people do behind them. Either way they probably both have stronger than 1 pair hands in range to check call flop and check raise turn (sets, two pair, some straight draws)
With no obvious draws, the XR on the turn seems strong…usually stronger than 1 pair. You mentioned having played with this V before, is he overvaluing 1 pair that much or have enough bluffs where you can’t fold top pair? Without a read I could see folding to the turn check raise without a draw ourselves since our hand will not likely get much better.
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good question. Yes, the villain was a double flatter – called the $10 then called my $55. He was in the CO. He is a good player, and usually the aggressor in the hand. Most of his big bets never went to showdown so I can’t tell if they were value or bluffs.
But I agree with you, the Turn XR and River shove felt strong since I played the hand like I had a big ace. I was thinking he might have done it with AQ/AJ but he might have 3-bet those hands himself from the CO. So, on the dry board it kind of leaves me with hands that beat me or a bluff – which thinking through it doesn’t make much sense since I was showing strength the entire way and one of the open-ended Turn bluffs came in on the River.
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@Jim Thanks for featuring this post in the podcast. It’s painful to hear about my mistakes but your insights have been so helpful. You asked about why I had classified the villain as a LAG despite having a 40VPIP/15PFR. He would limp with a wide range but attack players when he sensed a weakness or when the board favored his range more than the opponent. He was very active raising and check-raising postflop but we didn’t see his hands at showdown so I can’t tell how much of his aggression was bluffs. If he was nittier, I probably would fold to the Turn raise but he was so active, I thought I needed to turn it into a bluff catcher. I have since run into a similar situation 2 more times where I ran AK with an ace on the flop and got check-raised on the Turn. It’s a perplexing situation for me and appreciate your thoughts.
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As adverse as this site is to sharing information via links, I’m not even going to try, but a link to the podcast discussing a forum post inside the forum post would be both beneficial to the readers and to the podcast.
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For those interested in the results, hero calls the river shove and villain shows A8o for a turned 2-pair.
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