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Tricky hand
Posted by fivebyfive on May 28, 2022 at 1:26 pmOur hand keeps getting better, but we feel worse and worse. How are you approaching this spot? I can see the case for folding or 3! pre. But I do think we can mix in some flats in this spot on the BTN. But once we get post, are you doing anything different? Do you ever call this river—I’d argue we have the best possible blockers?
Game Hand #1236402928 – Tournament #26878368 – Holdem(No Limit) – Level 7 (400.00/800.00)- 2022/05/20 18:47:45 UTC
Table ’18’ 8-maxSeat #4 is the button
Seat 1: BabylonRally (28114.00)
Seat 2: patatilla (97764.00)
Seat 3: Corshom (37999.00)
Seat 4: FiveByFive (94212.00)
Seat 5: Larry_Burns (143374.00)
Seat 6: MickAgaram (43602.00)
Seat 7: Rolyba (78169.00)
Seat 8: Bali.baller (51500.00)
BabylonRally posts ante 80.00
patatilla posts ante 80.00
Corshom posts ante 80.00
FiveByFive posts ante 80.00
Larry_Burns posts ante 80.00
MickAgaram posts ante 80.00
Rolyba posts ante 80.00
Bali.baller posts ante 80.00
Larry_Burns posts the small blind 400.00
MickAgaram posts the big blind 800.00*** HOLE CARDS ***
Main pot 640.00
Dealt to FiveByFive [Js Kh]
Rolyba folds
Bali.baller raises 1840.00 to 1840.00
BabylonRally folds
patatilla folds
Corshom folds
FiveByFive calls 1840.00
Larry_Burns folds
MickAgaram calls 1040.00*** FLOP *** [Ts Kc 9s]
Main pot 6560.00
MickAgaram checks
Bali.baller bets 3280.00
FiveByFive calls 3280.00
MickAgaram folds*** TURN *** [Ts Kc 9s] [Ks]
Main pot 13120.00
Bali.baller bets 7360.00
FiveByFive calls 7360.00*** RIVER *** [Ts Kc 9s Ks] [Qh]
Main pot 27840.00
Bali.baller bets 38940.00 and is all-in
FiveByFive folds
Uncalled bet (38940.00) returned to Bali.baller
Bali.baller does not show*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 27840.00
Board [Ts Kc 9s Ks Qh]
Seat 1: BabylonRally (button) folded on the Pre-Flop
Seat 2: patatilla folded on the Pre-Flop and did not bet
Seat 3: Corshom folded on the Pre-Flop and did not bet
Seat 4: FiveByFive folded on the River
Seat 5: Larry_Burns (small blind) folded on the Pre-Flop
Seat 6: MickAgaram (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Rolyba folded on the Pre-Flop and did not bet
Seat 8: Bali.baller did not show and won 27840.00arw replied 2 years, 10 months ago 5 Members · 4 Replies -
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Seems like a way ahead or way behind spot. I think the calls are fine, you pick up equity every street except the river. You lose to the straights, flushes, boats and boats. Bluffs are hard to find to call the river shove, 78? AQ? If he is shoving with those hands on this runout he is insane. While it is feasible you got bluffed, it is significantly more likely that you lost the minimum. KJo can put you frequently in spots like this so it must be played with care.
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Definitely prefer a flat on the button vs. a single open. I think the 3-bet line makes more sense if you have a single opponent who is opening too wide (no info that is the case here) or are multi-way spot with a cold call after the initial open.
I like just calling the flop but I would be putting in a raise on the turn, especially with the Js in our hand. We should be willing to go with it here (especially vs. a shorter stack) if we get 3-bet jammed on.
As played, this is a gross river spot. It seems at first blush this is a polarizing spot but there is a % of the time that V is over jamming to steal away a chop. Since we block full houses and flushes, I probably time bank and end up calling this off.
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Definitely an ugly river. With you having the Js (and me with plenty of leisurely time to think about it) I think it is REALLY hard for him to have a flush (As,Qs?). And as noted above you are blocking the full house pretty hard (but there is still 99 and 10 10 and possibly QQ in his range). And he can have any AJ for a higher straight (or does he not bet that on the turn unless at least one of them is a spade?). My GUESS is that you were chopping 2/3 of the time and winning 1/3rd of the time. Which brings up an interesting question. At what point is defending a chop the right move? I assume it is based on pot odds just as a normal hand is, but you need twice the odds?
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400/800 + 80 ante
EP opens 2.3 bb and you flat the button with KhJs, the bb also calls.
Flop – Kc Ts 9s — (8.2 bb)
bb checks, EP cbets 4.1 bb (half pot), you call with top pair and gut shot, bb folds
Turn – Kc Ts 9s Ks — (16.4 bb)
EP continues for 9.2 bb (56% of pot), you call
River – Kc Ts 9s Ks Qh — (34.8 bb)
EP overbets for 46.8 bb, you fold
Possible hands that beat your KJ:
KQ, KT, K9, TT, 99, QQ, AJ
Only the Kd is left, this means there are 3 combos each of (KQ, KT, K9).
With the J blocker, there are 12 combos of (AJ)
The sets (TT, 99, QQ) have 3 combos each.
Total combos = 9 + 12 + 9 = 30 combos
Some hands may have pushed you off a chop,
(KdJd, KdJh, KdJc, 9 combos each of (JT, J9, J8))
Total combos = 3 + 9 + 9 + 9 = 30 combos
Hands that you can beat:
AA, AK, AQ, T9, QT, Q9
There are 6 combos of AA.
With the K blockers, there are 4 combos of (AK)
There are 12 combos of AQ however I think this hand is very unlikely.
There are two pair (T9, QT, Q9) combos however the K on the turn killed that action. That being said, these 9 combos each of (T9, QT, Q9).
Arguably, lets say
— 30 combos beat you
— 30 combos chop
— 10 combos lose to you
According to the numbers, this looks like a pretty clear fold.
— 12% of the time you are ahead (none of this range would play this way)
— 42% of the time you chop (some of this range would continue betting)
— 42% of the time you lose (all of this range would continue betting)
Good fold!!!
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