[yamel]

I would be a nit and fold here. I think it is very likely you are against medium to high pairs that don’t want to see an A. You block AA and KK and I would not want a coin flip with no fold equity at this point…so early in the tournament, there is no rush. Think you can wait for a better spot.

If I had to re-play this, I think this is a raise all day facing a bet and 3-bet. Then depending on your sizing you may be priced in to call or the others are less inclined to jam on you light after your 4-bet.

[jonlutsey]

I thought about a raise pre-flop, I surely would have 3bet if there had only been a single raise ahead of me. When these nightly series tournaments started, I feel I was being too aggressive with my pre-flop play and getting into big pots way too frequently. So, I have been adjusting my raise sizes and 3bet frequency, and pushing the aggression in my post flop play when I feel I am good or others don’t like their hands. That being said, I did fold also, but I like your reasoning for a 4bet.

[binkley]

When it get to the button, the pot is already 720 (15+30+135+270+270 ignoring antes). So a pot sized 4-bet would be to 1980 ([720+270]X2). Since this is 2/3 of button’s stack, an all-in jam is reasonable with their entire 4-betting range.

So I think that both the 4-bettor’s and the initial 3-bettor’s ranges are uncapped and can include AA and KK.

You didn’t mention your stack size but I’m assuming you cover the 2900 jam. You already put in 270 so its 2630 to call.

Pot is 2900+2700+135+270+45 = 6050.

Equity needed to make a break even call is 2630/(6050+2630) = 30.2%

Facing 2 players with ranges of JJ+, AKs, AKo, your equity with AKs is 24.1%

So given these ranges, it’s a clear fold.

Playing around with the ranges, I ran the equities again assuming that the 4-bettor would bet smaller with AA and KK and gave the all-in range to include weaker hands like AQ & TT. I further added TT to the calling range of the initial 3-bettor.

With these adjusted ranges, AKs has an equity of 30% for a break even call.

Since I don’t think many players are 4-bet jamming this light or calling off this light, my conclusion is that a fold is best.

[arw]

my habits are rubbing off.

Way to show your work @Binkley and excellent post.

[binkley]

@ARW Thanks. I’m just trying to meet the high bar you set.

[fivebyfive]

Seems like a fold. What’d they have?

[jonlutsey]

The first to jam had AKo and the 3bettor who called all-in had TT. The board had an A and I would have chopped.

[rabman50]

My first thought on reading this is that one of the two had a pocket pair. I don’t mind getting AK in preflop against an under pair. The problem comes in when we have another player in the mix. They could easily be in there with some Ax hands which would block some of our outs. I fold there multi-way.

[monkiesystem]

<div>Do the ranges in the screenshot below look right to you? I’m assuming the shove caller has a tighter range than the initial shover. I’m also assuming neither player is a Kill Phil player shoving with wider than normal ranges.</div>

If these ranges are right, you were way behind and correct to fold.

[monkiesystem]

Couldn’t get the screenshot into this post. The ranges were as follows:

First shover: TT+, AKo, AQs+

Shove caller: QQ+, AK

We had 24.39% equity.

[jim]

This reminds me of an episode on the podcast, number 157 from November 2019 when we talked about constructing a calling range that could profitably include AK in a spot like this with multiple all-ins. I did a prep video for that episode on the RecPoker Youtube channel – you can see the process I use with Equilab to construct various ranges. Spoiler alert: the ranges REALLY matter, but it’s likely a fold.

[monkiesystem]

I couldn’t get the screenshot to go in. When I tried I got the spinning wheel of death.

[jim]

thanks @MonkieSystem I’m flagging that for the tech team