[binkley]

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[chappo]

PokerStars Home Game Hand #219456815751: {RecPoker Community} Tournament #3027635681, 17000+3000 Hold’em No Limit – Level X (250/500) – 2020/10/16 22:44:42 ET

Table ‘3027635681 4’ 9-max Seat #2 is the button

Seat 1: HotRodBunny (17343 in chips)

Seat 2: rekopgib (9913 in chips)

Seat 3: chappoaustralia (13599 in chips)

Seat 5: Obner (16394 in chips)

Seat 7: djvoyeur (5575 in chips)

Seat 8: JasperJr (7040 in chips)

chappoaustralia: posts small blind 250

Obner: posts big blind 500

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to chappoaustralia [7h 8h]

djvoyeur: folds

JasperJr: folds

HotRodBunny: raises 500 to 1000

rekopgib: folds

chappoaustralia: calls 750

Obner: calls 500

*** FLOP *** [5d 7c 6d]

chappoaustralia: checks

Obner: checks

HotRodBunny: checks

*** TURN *** [5d 7c 6d] [4h]

chappoaustralia: bets 1695

Obner: raises 1695 to 3390

HotRodBunny: folds

chappoaustralia: calls 1695

*** RIVER *** [5d 7c 6d 4h] [4s]

chappoaustralia: checks

Obner: checks

*** SHOW DOWN ***

chappoaustralia: shows [7h 8h] (a straight, Four to Eight)

Obner: shows [8d 9s] (a straight, Five to Nine)

Obner collected 10170 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 10170 | Rake 0

Board [5d 7c 6d 4h 4s]

Seat 3: chappoaustralia (small blind) showed [7h 8h] and lost with a straight, Four to Eight

Seat 5: Obner (big blind) showed [8d 9s] and won (10170) with a straight, Five to Nine

[fivebyfive]

I want to mention preflop last because I think we should often consider a 3-bet here, but once we get postflop multiway, I’m checking range in this spot like you did. Once it checks around and we make our straight, leading the turn is a must. When V min-raises us, we’d obviously be in dire straights based on the results, but I think this is a clear jam. There’s a lot of value out there that we beat, and only one hand that beats us. So I’m targeting diamond draws, sets, and two pairs with this jam.

When we call and the board pairs, I like your river check. The board pairing or a diamond on this river is exactly what we want to avoid, so I’m hoping to reach showdown and win.

The spot where I want to think about more is preflop. We have a 27bb and are facing a late position open from a 32 bb stack. If we flat with 7h8h, we’re going to be out of position the whole hand and likely multiway. I like an 8bb 3-bet here. We often take down the hand right there, but in all but the worst of worst cases, we’re much more likely to go heads up with initiative and having “cleared the lane” for just the kind of flop we see. (yes, we could also get jammed on by cutoff, but that is a trivial fold). So we get the benefit of sometimes just taking it down while also being able to play more effectively out of position postflop.

[chappo]

Thanks for the response @FiveByFive

In regard to the pre flop position….

My pre flop thinking was that I have close enough to a 25 BB stack which I had always viewed as a position where if you 3 bet you cannot afford to fold to a re raise – as a 3 bet would typically be more than 25% of your stack.

If the CO jams – we cant afford to call with my particular hand.

Do you have a view on this?

Thanks again

Chappo “down under”

[fivebyfive]

<div>I do think there are spots with 25+ bb where we can three bet fold. It gets dicier with <20bb, but you start the hand here with 27bb. If you make it 8bb, you get a lot of folds, and your hand has enough playability that you can withstand calls, even out of position. Especially because we’re not mostly guaranteed to be heads up.
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The worst case is we get shoved on, and then we have to fold. Which leaves us with 19bb. That’s obviously not ideal, but it is still a playable stack with lots of room to open and reshove with fold equity. So I don’t see the 3bet in this spot as requiring us to call off. There’s a big difference between 27 bb and <20bb. At <20bb, we’re in really bad shape if we three bet and get put to the test. Now if we fold, we’re down to <12 bb, which is a far less playable stack. Also, think about this from V perspective. This 3bet looks really, really strong, and we need to be capable of 3betting in this spot with some hands that aren’t just premium. The best non-premium hands in this spot are a hand just like this. You can represent the board when it comes high and you can make sneaky value when it comes middling. Also, when your opponent calls here, they become quite capped and unless they hit a massive flop (2 pair+), they are going to be hating life when you continue on most flops.

Finally, I’d just say, it may seem like, ugh, we can’t just be giving up 8bb all the time when we have 27bb. And that is of course correct, we need to protect our stacks. But when we flat, we’re much more likely to lose the hand overall (because we’re going multiway and because we’re first to act) AND when we hit a hand exactly like we did, we’re likely to lose far more than 8bb. So all that makes me argue for a three bet with this hand in this spot. I’d be curious on other thoughts.

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