Getting sticky when villain over bets the riverPosted by george on April 12, 2023 at 2:43 pm
This is a hand I played against Rabman50 in a home game I couple weeks ago. It was early and we were both about 100bb deep. It folded to me on the button with TT. I raised to 2.5bb. Rob in the big blind called with K6 of clubs. The flop was 8 of clubs, 7 of hearts, 4 of clubs, so Rob flopped a flush draw plus a gut shot. He checked and I c bet one third pot, which seems wrong in retrospect. On this flop I should either be betting bigger or checking, right? Rob check-raised about 2.5x. I called. Any sentiment for reraising there? Don’t think so. The turn was the 6 of spades, another terrible card for me. Rob bet about two thirds pot. I called. Anybody want to fold there? Anybody think Rob should’ve just tried to get to showdown cheaply, since he made a pair? The river was the 2 of spades. There were 39 big blinds in the pot and Rob bombed it for 49. I tanked. I was thinking that my tens blocked T9, so I called. But there were so many other ways I was crushed. I should’ve folded here, yes? #overbet, #bluffing, #draws, #hero call, #third barrel
AdministratorApril 12, 2023 at 4:37 pm
Interesting spot. I don’t think we should ever check back this kind of good, but vulnerable holding on the flop. I’d much rather check back overpairs like AA and KK. We can get a ton of worse hands to call, but I do like your idea of going larger. This is going to be the type of board we will check back more often, so I like pushing our sizing up to account for that and make it harder for our opponents to check raise us. We’re still likely going to face a xR from Rob’s exact holding, but there are other 5x and 6x that will think twice about it.
I wouldn’t raise this check raise with much. Sets and straights and two pairs make the most sense for value with some nutty club draws as bluffs.
That turn is awful, but I’m still not folding. I want to see what he does on the river and we still beat a lot of holdings here, plus we have a gutter to what would mostly be the nuts. I like Rob’s bet though. Once you call that check raise, the six is unlikely to be good for him. He blocks you calling with clubs, so you more likely have value that beats a 6.
The river bet is a nice one by Rob, IMO. It’s a pretty credible story from the BB and very polarized. It is a lot of sets and better and then busted clubs. I’d likely decide here based on which TT I was holding. If I had a club, he’s slightly more weighted toward value, so I’m always folding. If I didn’t have a club, he has a few more of those club bluffs. I still wouldn’t fault a fold here, and in theory land, I bet this is a mix, but we probably need to call sometimes without the club to not be overfolding.
MemberApril 12, 2023 at 6:49 pm
Thanks! Good point that TT needs protection from over cards on the flop. On the river, I didn’t think about clubs, but I didn’t have one, so I guess that means I’m unblocking bluffs? Interesting.
AdministratorApril 25, 2023 at 3:02 pm
Interesting spot @George Chris has nailed a lot of this – once you get to the point of really being indifferent to calling or folding, that’s when things like holding a club matter. It’s a good tie-breaker but don’t substitute it for things like combo-counting which often will give you an answer that is more definitive one way or the other as opposed to indifferent. Thanks for posting!
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