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Help settle some controversy
There was a hand this month in the Deep Dive cash game that had a lot of discussion. I thought I’d bring it here to get more takes and maybe suggest it for a Forums edition. So we’re very deep, 140bb effective and we are playing a hand BvB. SB raises to 4bb with 3h3s. BB calls. Pot is 8bb. Flop is 3c5c7h. SB bets half pot (4bb again). BB calls. Pot is now 16bb. T is As. What is your preferred action as SB in this spot and why? If you are betting, how big? If you are checking, are you doing so with the intention of check raising or check calling? Why?
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The flop bet was fine.
I’m betting 3/4 stack on this Ace turn. On any turn card, really. We need to build a pot to maximize our chances of getting stacks in.
If BB doesn’t have anything he wants to invest with, we’re not extracting any more money from him. So we might as well bet.
The check-raise line might grab a bet from a bluff that would have folded had we c-bet the flop. But that’s it. We risk the BB checking back. We can kiss goodbye to getting stacks in when BB checks back.
Our priority is to maximize the chances of getting stacks in. We can’t do that OOP by checking, hoping for a stab. We absolutely MUST get three streets from this hand if the streets are there to be had.
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I still like checking the turn. There is a reasonable chance that hands that would call a river shove would bet turn when checked to and maybe some of them call an albeit smaller river bet. This would also allow some medium strength hands like 10-7 to make a turn bet. I’m sure you guys are right about trying to get stacks in I just think you are overestimating the differential.
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My thought in game was “how to I get the SPR down low enough to shove the river?” Our whole strategy should be built around getting it in with the nuts. Here we have the effective nuts with some bad river cards possible.
With a turn SPR of 8.28 I could have potted and prayed they had not only an Ace, but an Ace or two-pair that they would call a river 2X shove with.
Should they call a pot sized (or higher) turn bet with 19.57% flush draw equity? Will they call a 2X river shove with A4, A6, or ANY ace they didn’t 3-bet pre??
If they call a 3/4 pot bet, are they calling a 3X pot river shove with anything we beat? What are our bluffs when we make this huge overbet?
By checking I induce bluffs, getting value out of hands that would fold to even a small bet on the Ace scare card, and by check-raising I can get the SPR down to where the non-3bet aces have a more callable shove when the Ace or 7 of clubs comes on the river. 🙏
Sure, they can check behind, but those aren’t the hands we should be targeting. They aren’t calling 3 streets. Especially overbets.
If I didn’t have a hand, I would have definitely bluffed the Ace small with my 2s, 4s, 6s, and flush draws to get rid of their air on the turn and then not put another chip in the pot.
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