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  • Is this an easy jam?

    Posted by yamel on October 7, 2020 at 12:46 pm

    6 handed in 14 person tourney from my pokerbros monthly tournaments

    50 ante, blinds 200-400, I’m on button with ~15.2K holding QhQc, V in BB with 5.8K

    UTG limps 400, MP folds, CO folds, I raise to 1K, SB folds, BB makes it 1.6K (4.2K behind), Hero?

    V is pretty tight pre-flop, but will go with many one pair hands. Small raise seemed surprising.

    Do we jam and risk half our stack hoping he has AK and we dodge an A or K, or do we see a flop first and then make a decision?

    yamel replied 3 years, 6 months ago 4 Members · 5 Replies
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  • maxchaos

    Member
    October 7, 2020 at 7:46 pm

    He’s putting out kind of a weird 3-bet sizing. Either V is inexperienced with 3 betting, or sitting on something like AA and trying to induce a call. That said, such a small sizing is going to price everybody in and AA lose their value quickly the more people are in the pot. All that said, I would assume it to be an inexperienced 3-bet from somebody holding Ax, Broadway, or as you noted, some type of pair. Likely 10s+

    Tournaments for me are about taking the right risk at the right time. This seems early to risk 1/2 my stack pre-flop. I’d probably call and hope to see a flop without an King or Ace recognizing I’m risking a set, although sets are hard to make.

    Assuming I get a low flop I’d consider a check raise, possibly a check shove depending on the action that follows. ‘A’ or ‘K’, I’d check and go from there.

    I have a buddy I go to Vegas with regularly when it’s not raining Covid and he told me once that he tries to avoid going all-in Pre-Flop unless he really has to (e.g., is either nursing a short stack himself or sitting on a very strong holding when somebody else with a short stack shoves first).

    I thought about his comment and see where he’s coming from.

    With 5 cards to come, a pre-flop shove just leaves so much room for variance, even with a strong holding, and no room for maneuverability.

    SNG tourney I just left before replying here . . . I was sitting on I think 16 BB. Similar stack that had me slightly covered limped. I knew I needed to make a move, since it was a turbo. I shoved w/ 99 figuring I’d either steal his limp and the blinds or be off to the races.

    To my joy, he called and turned over 77.

    And one of the 5 cards to come? You bet, a ‘7’. So even though I had him dominated pre-flop, I was suddenly out of the tourney.

    In that situation I felt the risk was worth the return and even the suck out.

    In your situation, I’d go for the call.

  • binkley

    Member
    October 8, 2020 at 7:15 pm

    Since this is an online hand, how likely is it that this is a misclick?This is a min raise which is default sizing. Are the call and raise buttons close together?

    If you call, the pot will be 3.7 k with BB having 4.2k behind.

    A lot of player do default to calling over 3betting from the BB. Do you think that BB is so tight that 3bet range is only AA, KK, and AK? If so, then maybe you could just call. If JJ and TT are a part of his range, then it’s a comfortable jam.

    • yamel

      Member
      October 9, 2020 at 9:31 am

      Good question on misclick, I just checked and the call and raise buttons are next to each other, but if you tap raise, then you have to tap again to pick 2x, or higher….so seems like he meant to min raise to build the pot with his high pair.

  • taylormaas

    Member
    October 9, 2020 at 8:56 am

    What did the UTG do after the BB raise?

    A couple of things to note… your preflop raise should be larger. With a limp in front of you, the optimal sizing is somewhere around 4-5x, so I’d prefer a raise to 1600 here. Then when raised by a stack with 15 BBs, we HAVE to be happy to get it in with QQ here. Like fist pump happy. You’ve immediately jumped on him having some sort of extreme premium hand which isn’t always the case. They could easily make this play with worse pocket pairs, and AT+, KJs, KQ, etc.

    You worry about what the flop might bring, but that may also kill your value from opponent. Your exact hand vs their range in this spot is so far ahead that we can and should try to get everything we can right now. People can end up worrying too much about the 30% of the time that you lose here, instead of the 70% of the time that you win.

    • yamel

      Member
      October 9, 2020 at 9:10 am

      UTG folded and action was back to me after the small 3! by BB

      RESULTS

      I debated for a while between seeing a flop (to avoid an A or K) or jam to keep building my chip lead. My default was to jam, but I did 2nd guess myself in game.

      I ended up going all in and BB called with KK and hit a K on the flop for good measure….but good point that I should focus on all the other times he doesn’t have AA, KK, or AK here and that even if he doesn’t, cards on flop can kill my action (In game I didn’t think about action killing cards)

      This guy rarely 3!, so that was part of my initial hesitation…just put him on a narrower range.

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