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  • "The Raisers Edge" — What would you do with TT?

    Posted by arw on July 10, 2020 at 1:17 pm

    Elky played this hand at the 2010 EPT.

    It’s an example from his book “The Raisers Edge”

    30 players left

    Everyone is in the money

    8k/16k + 1500 ante


    Freddy Deeb in the cutoff opens to 40,000. He has starting stack of 44 bb.

    Romanian 3-bets on the button to 110,000. He has starting stack of 31 bb.

    Elky has TT in the small blind with a stack of 69 bb.

    What should Elky do?

    • Fold
    • Call
    • Raise — if so, how much?

    arw replied 3 years, 9 months ago 3 Members · 3 Replies
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  • binkley

    July 10, 2020 at 1:54 pm

    I think this is a fold or jam spot. TT is just not good enough so I think fold. With JJ it’s a jam.

    • taylormaas

      July 10, 2020 at 4:09 pm

      I agree that this is a fold/jam spot. We can’t really be cold-calling here.

      But I think this is a jam. Mostly due to the fact of where the players in the hand are based on position. It’s a cutoff raise and a button 3-bet. These are going to be the two loosest positions to make these plays from so we should be widening our range to account for that. It also is an edge hand to do this with in my opinion where I’d fold 99, but jam the TT.

      I also think the only sizing is all-in in this spot.

      I haven’t read Raiser’s Edge in probably 7 years, maybe I should go back and read through it :).

      • arw

        July 11, 2020 at 3:36 am

        1) The book is a Gem

        2) My vote (fold > jam > never call).

        With TT and a large stack, I don’t want to take this risk pre-flop against two players. Instead, use my stack to stab for smaller pots in better spots. I completely agree that these are steal spots but I hate flipping with AK, AQ, or worse being against JJ+. Other players, take this risk thinking that it is a sure way to win the tournament if you win this HUGE POT. With 30 left, having the Jamie Gold super stack doesn’t guarantee victory.

        Statistics like this scare me about getting it in.

        52 cards

        16 cards are A, K, Q, J

        Odds that an A, K, Q, J don’t hit the community cards (assuming no blockers)

        36/52 * 35/51 * 34/50 * 33/49 * 32/48 = 14.5%

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