[fivebyfive]

I love overbet spots, but I don’t think this is one on the turn. The reason being is that after the flop checks through, as V I may check through some Kx, some pairs like 77-QQ, and then some trash. That turn card is awesome for your range, but as such and this may seem counterintuitive, I don’t like the overbet. The reason being is that if I’m holding 75 or 66, I really want to get some value for my hand and keep hands like 88 in the hand. With those nutted holdings, I think we should lead something like half pot and plan to follow through with an overbet on most rivers. So we should do the same with this holding.

If I’m V in this spot and I see an overbet on turn, that seems like a go away bet, and I’m shrinking your range away from nutted value. It seems much more like 6x with draws or high equity straight/flush draws. So if I have say 77-QQ or Kx, I’m calling this bet. And then when the river pairs the board, the 6x stuff got there, so I’m not loving it, but it is still a better card than some, so I’m likely calling your river bet. However, if you half pot the turn, to me that keeps 75 and 66 and K6 etc. in range because those hands are looking to preserve value on turns and punish on rivers. So if I see a half pot turn and then a overbet river, now I’m in the grinder and likely folding.

[yamel]

A recent training video I watched called for the following checklist for overbet spots:

1. Hero has nuts in range
2. Hero wouldn’t have thin value (e.g. polar spot)
3. V is capped to 1 pair type hands

I think in this hand the pre-flop call (no 3 bet) and flop check doesn’t get you the strong start you want. You probably have more 6’s in your range calling from BB, but 2nd 6 didn’t come till river and V can have all the sets and some two pair played this way. I rather have the V pass on a chance to raise or check to us before I fire the overbet.

[taylormaas]

I think the overbet is too much risk for less reward. Chris nailed it with his analysis where I would likely go 1/2 pot on the turn and then 3/4 pot on the river. The bad part about the river 3/4 pot is that all the draws missed and only are representing a hand like 6x, which we have in our range but really narrows down the value we have here.

[jim]

This is great stuff guys, and obviously McVean agrees! I’m going to take this back into the lab and keep tinkering with my spots. I also made a bad check/raise bluff in the home game last night because I was having too much fun chatting in the OPaH that I didn’t realize the river paired the board twice – the raise made no sense in that context. I have to pick the spots for these polarized plays better. Really good feedback!