[fivebyfive]

So this worked out for you in the end, but I don’t love the play. We have an EP limp, a HJ raise, and then a button and SB flat before the action folds to you with 9 bb. So let’s think about these ranges that get us here.

The EP limp is likely wide and not that strong. I’m not too worried about raising them all in.

The HJ raise is a decently strong range, but has some room for being a late position player trying to punish a limper. Still, this range is likely comprised of Broadway holdings, pairs, and some strong suited hands.

The Button and in particular the Small Blind flats should be much narrower ranges. They should not include the true premium holdings, nor should they include trickier reverse implied odds hands. So there should be a lot of things like pairs up to 88 and a few marginal Ax holdings like AJ and A10 suited.

When we jam 9 bb, our opponents need to only call 6 bb into a now very large pot. So we have very little fold equity. We will likely be taking this multiway without much in the way of fold equity against pairs that we need to outdraw and Ax holdings that may have us in jail.

Sometimes where we’re getting short and we keep getting garbage like 3s9c and we see a hand like this, it’s very tempting to shove no matter what. But with this much action in front of me and without much in the way of fold equity, I think we’re better off folding to fight another day.

I’m curious if others disagree.

[chappo]

@FiveByFive I was viewing this in light of the short stack ninja play (book study).

Given the value that was in the pot – i realised I wasnt going to get folds this was play purely based on that perspective…..

[yamel]

I agree with @FiveByFive on this one that we don’t have the fold equity to jam and it is too multi-way to go with a hand like KJo

From a short stack ninja perspective, we do want to have many calls in pot preflop at a really short stack depth to multiply what we win, but we also want to go heads up or 3 way into that flop with a lot of dead money…so the situation we would want is opening the action minimally so someone else can jam to isolate. Also this value-hunting move is better at the 0-5bb range…at 9bb we are solidly in next level where we should be open shoving to steal blinds and get above 10bb.

In this hand, after a few people call I’m likely folding due to lack of fold equity. If I wanted to get fancy with it, I’d call closing the action then Jam on any flop…while the jam wouldn’t get folds, next to act could raise to isolate and then we see turn and river with fewer people in the pot.