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  • Big Home Game Big Blind Bluff

    Posted by jamin96 on September 5, 2020 at 9:33 pm

    Alright so @SteveFredlund didn’t believe me on this one but I’m an honest man! This is probably the last time I’ll be able to do this against Steve without the nuts again lol All kidding aside this is was a really interesting hand to play and I’m curious to see what everyones thoughts are. BTW I need some help filling in the gaps with the action but I’m sure Steve will have some details to fill in the gaps. I defended the 10C6S in the BB, heads up, to the MP1 min open (I think). Checks through flop. I bet the turn 75% pot, I get called. I move all in on the river for the effective stack and get the fold.. Boom

    stringbender replied 3 years, 7 months ago 5 Members · 6 Replies
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  • steve-fredlund

    Member
    September 5, 2020 at 10:14 pm

    I wish I could remember all the action but I know I opened to 2.5x and had a couple of callers, one behind and you out of the blinds. I’m pretty sure it was 3-ways because I was going to check raise over the player behind me who I thought would stab at this (because they like to float me and apply pressure). So it checked through flop like you said. I don’t remember the turn action but not surprised if that is how it played out. I figured once you were called on the turn you would only be shoving value hands on the river. I figured you would check medium strength hands like A7, A8, any K or any other single pair, so figured you were polarized – big hand or nothing. But I couldn’t find hands that were good bluff candidates so decided to save my tournament (at least for the moment) and lay it down. Nice play!

  • jamin96

    Member
    September 6, 2020 at 7:25 am

    I believe you are right, I woke up this morning and remembered that the small blind flatted your open, giving me excellent price even with my worse holdings, admittedly 106 off is at the very bottom of my range in the bb espically against 2 other players. When the flop checked I put you on all the med. strength hands that want to get to showdown asap without making the pot huge. I was hoping the sb was going to have alot of air and was not to worried about his range in this spot. I also remember being surprised to see you check the flop but considering you are targeting the sb for a check raise, it was a little unfortunate that the turn brought in alot of straights and backdoor clubs. Another serious consideration was SPR, espically on the river. I figured if I didnt apply max pressure you would likely call on the river with alot of med strength hands, given the right price with a short stack (and opening up an opportunity for you to shove over a raise) . The k on the river also limits your ak and kk holdings

  • arw

    Member
    September 6, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    Based on the effective stack size, Steve started the hand with somewhere near 2000 chips. The pot size is about 1000 on the river so I estimate that each player has invested close to 400-500 chips to see all five community cards. This means, Steve has invested roughly 25% of his stack before finding a fold on the river.

    In my experience, this is definitely a spot where one should pounce and apply pressure. If Steve had invested 33% or greater of his stack, he might find a crying call with a weak ace.

    Well played!!

  • Unknown Member

    Deleted User
    September 9, 2020 at 8:13 am

    Couple of thoughts. 10 6o is definitely at the bottom of a BB calling range and I would likely only maybe call it in response to a min raise from late position, not a mp1 range or 2.5x bet. I think it is good to always look at the pot odds offered with the extra caller but in this scenario it makes your hand a definite fold preflop. Besides looking at pot odds you have to consider your hand equity which drops significantly in a 3 way pot vs heads up. Good play on the river because as Steve said you are polarize and players that are ranging you will likely lay it down. A pro is going to count your value bet combos and bluffs to determine a minimal defense frequency given the pot odds. Your goal is to make him or her indifferent. I do think though many rec and reg players will call you in that spot with a Ace but definitely fun to bluff Steve! If this were live you would have to look at him and say “Hero call?” Grinning

  • jamin96

    Member
    September 11, 2020 at 7:01 am

    I agree with everything you said espically when it comes to having a third player in the hand. Flatting ranges in the SB or CO are a concern in this hand. I assumed that the SB or CO would be betting a lot of flops so once it checks through Im a little less worried. All the flush draws brick so yes I can imagine that other players are probably calling with an ace and that was not really what I was targeting to fold. Pocket pairs between 55 and 1010 is more what I was hoping to fold out along with some kx. I was very surprised when Steve folded an ace, I figured he was just going to call down and I still would’ve had chips left so it wasn’t for my tournament life. I still think I have all the straights and sets on this board in the BB so I have a decent nut advantage. But yes its fun to bluff Steve hahaha

  • stringbender

    Member
    September 21, 2020 at 7:07 am

    I’d like to re-emphasize PatchPerson’s point about calling with ‘excellent’ odds in multi-way pots. I see a lot of bad calls in the blinds that players justify with pot odds, but forget to realize that their equity gets greatly diminished by every additional player in the pot. It also gets worse considering we have to realize this equity. Calling with offsuit junk in the blinds is just spewing chips. Offsuit gapped hands will barely realized half their equity in these spots because of reverse implieds etc. T6o definitely falls into this category.

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