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Final table bubble with 44 on the button
Posted by imalouigi on November 6, 2020 at 7:09 am10/275 remain. It is a NL turbo so the average stack is ~15 bbs. I’ve gone back and forth on this one as to whether it’s more important to preserve or accumulate with such shallow stacks. Shove, fold….and maybeeeee even raise/fold (to SB shove) are all in-play here. What do you like and why? ????
Folds to hero (19 bbs) on the button with 44
SB with ~10 bbs & BB with ~4 bbs
steve-fredlund replied 4 years, 5 months ago 5 Members · 5 Replies -
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I like a min open and calling a shove from either player. Ideally the BB, you could consider raise folding vs the sb but it feels a bit tight. Having a limping range for these situations could also be a way to go when on a short stack.
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So this is a five-handed table then, right? If so, I’m shoving here. People tighten up their calling ranges on final table bubbles and I cover both blinds. If one of them covered me, I’d have a much more difficult decision. I don’t very much care if BB calls me, so it comes down to SB. Yes, I’m at best flipping with the SB calling range, but I think we potentially get SB to fold hands as good as KQ here.
ICMizer agrees (see screenshot), though barely. This is ICM and equilibrium. I think our results are better than ICMizer suggests in practice, especially at lower stakes. So I think it makes it a clear push in my mind.
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Good analysis Chris. Another thing to consider is the relative stack sizes of the blinds. Having a less than average stack, SB wants to wait for the BB to bust first. SB can fold and hope you bust BB. So there is added fold equity vs SB.
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There was a LONG debate on my twitter feed about this hand and I think my takeaway is that in a turbo structure, we need to push any edge.
I found the spot awkward because of BB’s stack size. I did consider folding in game but ultimately went with the shove. The results are remarkably uninteresting. Both folded and hero won the blinds! Ha!
I wrote it down to revisit if we should be considering a fold in this spot.
Thanks for the analysis @FiveByFive
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I know the analysis has been completed. I think from an EV perspective this is an easy shove, but I’m not so sure from an ICM/tourney perspective. With 19 bigs you are in good shape and almost certain to move up a few spots while, in the mean time, finding better spots.
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