[chappo]

@FiveByFive @rabman50 @SteveFredlund

[chappo]

@TaylorMaas

[steve-fredlund]

Let’s see… so Rob had about 3.5 bb and shoved UTG; so going to pretty wide; would guess any A, any suited K, any pair, any suited connectors, and any two cards T+. You have 22 bigs and BB has about 20, so a SB shove here should get through a lot; of course you are only called if you are behind or racing. If you welcome that, then I like the shove. If you decide to just call, you have to decide what you will do if the BB shoves. you could also raise to 8bb or so to isolate, but putting in 40% of the effective stack leaves me with just the following options: a) Call and fold to a shove from a tighter player or call against a more aggressive player; or b) Shove for the 20 bb effective. I like the shove unless there are ICM or other specific tournament considerations.

Flatting range for me would be quite polarized; I might flat QQ/KK/AA to induce and then flat a few things like QJ/QT/JT suited + any AT/A9. I might also call/fold 22/33/44 making 55 about the cutoff for me.

[fivebyfive]

I’m going to be called a homer etc. for this analysis, so let’s instead pretend you have 66. I like your shove to isolate. We’re in decent shape against Rabman’s wide range. I’m likely taking this line with all of my pocket pairs.

I don’t like the prospect of flatting very much here. Small pocket pairs are not fun to play with a sidepot and out of position. If I’m on the button or any earlier in this spot with 55 or 66, I’m likely folding (just don’t tell Taylor Maas). But in the SB, I like the shove to isolate and more often than not we’re scooping a pot that gets us healthier. When we lose to Rabman, it doesn’t hurt all that much.

[taylormaas]

[rabman50]

I like the shove to isolate. You only have one player to worry about and you have him covered so he would have to wake up with a monster to get involved three ways. The others already talked about my range there and they were spot on.

Well played and thanks for the double up. Just wish I could have done more with it.

[chappo]

OK – thankyou all for the reply.

Completely get the range – short stack ninja play in motion right there.

I was chipped that night about shoving and i made almost an identical play in reverse when live 1 day later, a player behind me flatted and I shipped it with 44 to isolate the original shove. Person who flatted folded.

I was chipped about that too…

“opportunity to eliminate a player blah blah”

I just sipped my beer, listened to what he had to say and then counted all the dead money in the middle with a smile, quietly thinking fox wallace would be proud.

@SteveFredlund @FiveByFive @rabman50

[taylormaas]

If we think about the another potential of this situation, if you are the big blind player and the SB just calls the <4 BB shove. You are getting an amazing spot to shove and get the SB player to fold, in which case you are now risking 3.5 BBs to win ~11 BBs which is a great price for even the worst of our holdings.

So to prevent this spot, we need to take an option other than flatting for almost all of our range. Given your holding, I like the shove. The case can be made to maybe flat with the most premium of our hands, but in general we should be raising almost always.