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Two Cristal pieces of info are missing. What’s the current tourney average. And where’s the bubble or payouts at that level.
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Assuming that the choices don’t include “I’m not straddling”, a Winner’s straddle seems to be the more “fun” of the two options. Kinda like an old fashioned “kill button”.
Straddles are negative Ev plays, so I’m generally not a fan. The games (home games) I play are generally tough enough without dumping money needlessly. Further, there’s almost never any lack of action, so adding a straddle to spice up the game really is just an excuse to gamble. Our 1-1 game generally plays like a 2-5 game, sometimes higher depending on who up.
For a tighter game, a winner’s straddle would increase the action of a game, while adding an element of bloody mindedness by forcing the winning player to straddle blind. Adds an element of twisting the knife into the game, kinda like mandatory slow rolls.
All in good natured fun.
Honestly, I can’t really think of any other reason anyone would want to straddle. But forcing a winner to bet blind, that’s a completely different kettle of fish.
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Take a look at the Venetian Deepstacks which they used to run quarterly.
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I agree with Chris. C-Bet all day long. The flop check does nothing from an informational point of view (ie. narrowing villains range), nor does it make the pot bigger with a hand that’s likely the best.
The 10 on the turn is also a call all day, every day and twice on Sunday. Your 99 blocks all of the straights, so the likelihood of the villain having another one is dramatically lessened. J9 is possible but so is 9-5. Really small number of hands available.
His all-in is more consistent with either a flopped set or turned 10-10. Higher PP as well. Possibly 2 pairs. Possible flush draws.
Note, you currently beat all of these, excluding specifically J9.
I’d call without much thought and expect to win a very large majority of the time.
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Call all day, expecting to lose to an Ax or a pp bigger than 10’s. His bet sizing could mean one of two things. He either doesn’t know what he’s doing and is betting cause he thinks that’s what he needs to do or he’s betting to milk his low to medium strength hand.
If the second, he knows you don’t have a premium made hand and is betting small to freeze your hand from coming over the top. Unfortunately, his bets aren’t really defining his hand enough to make us 100% sure we win, so calling seems reasonable as played.
Flop or turn raise would have narrowed his hand a great deal more and allowed us to be more certain about what he held, especially on the turn when the 2nd A popped.
Ax is possible. 10x is possible. I’d take KK, QQ and JJ out of his range.
You win more than you lose. Call
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You know me. Call all day and expect to shown Ax.
K9 was unexpected but in his range.
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@FiveByFive Pretty sure the rule is if two players bust at the final table on the same hand, stack size determines the order of finishing.
If two players bust on the bubble at different tables then they split the prize.
I think of this situation more as etiquette than anything else. I wouldn’t “collude” in this manner unless it was to my benefit. Side pot is important consideration. And my hands ability to actually be the nuts is the other important consideration.
If there is no side pot, maximizing EV would dictate not pushing anyone around and hoping the All in player busts.
If the side pot actually has chips, then I’m likely fighting for those all day.
Just not on 4 straight board with a set. Lol. My hand never wins there.
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Probably need to know how close the bubble is to make any specific recommendations, but ….
On the button with 14BB, with the Jones’ , my two choices are fold or go all-in. Your hand doesn’t play well post-flop unless you hit a set.
If you are on the bubble, I’d lean towards folding, even in a PKO situation.
If you are the effective stack, I’d be looking for reasons not to fold, folding being the default, because your stack isn’t threatening the remaining players.
If you cover the other stacks, I’d be looking for reasons to fold, the default being a jam, because your stack is mighty enough to give other players pause.
As played, I’d be check folding on this flop. Your hand is not strong enough to withstand any pressure in a guessing situation.
Frankly, in this situation, your hand is not strong enough to simply raise and you’re not deep enough to withstand a thinking players pressure post-flop. This would be the reason for the fold/jam line.
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A bit more info on your read of the players. Is this live or is this online?
Generally, you’ve invested $50 and been jammed on for 8xish your bet, admittedly after action in between.
I think the in between action is irrelevant, since your stack is not in jeopardy.
The info you have is that the raiser likes his hand enough to put you all in.
Online, fold all day. Live, depends on how you view the raiser.
I’d likely fold as described, but subject to change with more info.
Just ask, what do I beat when no one narrowed their range much, but all your money is at stack.
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And yes, it hurts when they get dusted. But if someone can tell me how to avoid running into them, I’m all ears.
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After having AA cracked so many times, it did a bit of a dive on my own P4 database a couple of years ago.
Similar results. AA win rate was 80%+, a bit lower for KK but not by much. Both were extremely profitable.
So, ignore the results bias we are all built to have. Longish term results are about where they should be.
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Fold to the 3x+ reraise on the turn. His reraise is not the outcome you were looking for and indicates a hand you cannot beat currently. You need to hit and he’s not giving you the proper odds to do so.
I likely wouldn’t have raised his turn bet. It was small enough to comfortably draw.
Regardless, as played, raise/fold spot.
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Agree with Chris wholeheartedly.
The only thing not discussed is the general tournament ethos.
You will lose, a lot. Figure out how to deal with that. Many people haven’t.
The card distribution you get during a tournament will have an impact on your results in the short term. If it’s not your night, it’s not your night. Skill overcomes variance in the long term. One tournament is not the long term.
All you can do is make good decisions with what you are dealt and try to not get overly invested in the the actual single hand or tourney results.
If your cards aren’t good enough to beat an opponent you deem “less skilled”, no amount of skill will overcome that deficit in the short run.
In a similar instance, I played two daily tournaments at Bally’s in Vegas in early September. In my first outing I finished mid-pack (17th of 45) after taking a bad beat and never being able to recover. I took down the second one.
Played the same in both and took advantage when I could.
Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t. You just need to play your game throughout and make good decisions Don’t rail against any single result ‘cause we’ve all been at tables “where you just can’t beat the drunk”.
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With the over size raise by the CO and the intervening call, I would like a jam pre-flop here. Would not have waited for a flop.
You have two interested opponents and taking this down preflop nets you about 9BB with little risk.
A jam puts pressure on both since your attacking 1/2 their effective stacks.
Might work with 88, might not. Either way the pressure you put on them is going to be massive.
There’s zero likelihood that the 88 fold for 6K here. A larger raise is needed to crow bar him off his hand. And you need it to hurt. If it doesn’t, he/she easily calls and you lose on this flop regardless.
At 21K, you’re jamming 30-35BB into about a 10BB pot. Anyone sits up an notices. Better chance of getting the fold.
The 30BB stack is awkward to play since it’s large enough to sit around and survive for a while, but small enough to become pot committed to any hand you play.
Jamming preflop gives you two ways to win the hand, he folds or calls with an inferior hand.
As played, your opponent played his hand perfectly. Called when behind and called when very far ahead. Jamming preflop would have forced him to commit, or not, with imperfect information.
I’ll let Chris deal with the actual breakdown of the hand. He’s far better at it than I am.